Nefario,Bitcoin全球的创始人专访

木叶：首先，你能介绍一下自己，以我们的读者？

Nefario：我的名字是：（医生）Nefario，我一个cypherpunk东西 。我去年十月左右开始使用bitcoin，并已bitcoin自那时以来，以某种方式或其他涉及。

我meatspace工作是在大学英语教学，我在二线城市在中国大陆的基础。

目前，我，却变成了第一bitcoin公司的BitcoinGlobal首席执行官。

有比自己对BitcoinGlobal工作，包括我自己在内的股东约10人，其他5人。

我们有一个项目上走的那一刻，glbse.com及Bitdrop最有名的，并在未来几周内开始工作nomico.in和CryptoCloud。

我想多说，但我宁愿保持伪匿名，至少暂时，因此不会释放任何身份信息。

木叶：你能告诉我们更深入你工作有关的项目上？

Nefario：正如你们许多人知道，它本质上是一个bitcoin资产市场，目前大多数人使用它作为A股市场，以提高他们的项目通过出售股票的资本。虽然它的远不止这些灵活，能够处理几乎所有的金融资产类型，使用李嘉图合同。现在这个项目还年轻，已失去的改善和功能的期待，下一个是一个简单易用的Web界面。

BitDrop是分散的，包送货服务，与bitcoin支付。它的工作原理是每个亚军亚军，靠近对方传递包，直到它到达它的目的地，以降低整体付款。

Nomico.in是匿名交流的实施，我已经写了前 。但是，我们需要等待CryptoCloud开始之前启动和运行 。

CryptoCloud是基于云计算平台（阿拉巴马州亚马逊AWS的），是隐藏在cypherspace（内darknets I2P或者Tor），所以他们的位置不能成为知名。这将允许任何人都可以轻松地启动任何类型的项目，如果它在任何司法管辖区是非法的，将能够与上CryptoCloud逍遥法外运行。所以服务，如洪流网站，最初的Napster的副本，甚至直接销售受版权保护的材料将被允许（实际的政策，因为它是将被允许几乎任何东西）。

我们正在建设，因为我们看到了一个需要我们的服务我们正在努力，可无论任何权威说什么或不CryptoCloud，所以每个人，而不是做一个接一个，我们要建立一个平台，否则将能够使用，并支付与bitcoin。

木叶：很显然，你正在进入新领域超越GLBSE.com的不断扩大 。你为什么决定扩大到BitDrop一切？

Nefario：最明显的原因是钱，我（我们）认为，这些项目将能够使我们在bitcoin经济提供所需的服务的一个很好的利润 。

还有其他更深层次的原因。

国防，我们怀疑很多，如果不是最bitcoin热交换器（特别是 MT.Gox，也非交换服务，如glbse.com）未来6个月内将关闭由世界各地的各种机构。

对我们来说，这将导致流动性问题（永远记住我们的主要服务操作）和几乎所有的其他业务使用bitcoin（包括我们的供应商）。这也杀，在过去6个月或以上的增长与bitcoin的整体购买力。这将严重伤害我们的经营能力和我们的底线。

为了避免这种情况发生，我们希望能有nomico.in（CryptoCloud上运行）和运行在此之前可能发生的。

Bitdrop是国防和清凉因子的组合。有一个bitcoin有偿送货服务的需要，尤其是货物，.... 不太可能通过当前的邮政系统通畅。我们认为这是一个很酷的项目。然而，我们也看到它为我们的nomico.in项目中使用现金卡的收集和传递。

木叶：怎么GLBSE的想法来的呢 ？

Nefario：只是扩大问题3，其实我宁愿glbse.com重点，而不是运行多个项目已经能够一点点，我不能向他们提供足够的时间 。我们正在做的，因为我们需要他们。如果别人做的 ​​，而不是那么我很高兴离开他们，并购买他们的服务 。

是什么导致我到GLBSE的是，我是想开始另一个项目。反骗子项目。但是我发现，有关股东的资本和管理的事情是相当多的工作，所以我们认为我们会做的证券交易所为我们管理这一切。GLBSE我们还没有反欺骗活动项目尚未开始，有更多的承诺，是一个更高的优先级，但它是我们已经有了计划... ...当我们去接近它。

木叶：在最具挑战性的发展GLBSE的部分是什么 ？

Nefario：走向生活... ...比预期提前。

实际发生的事情，我告诉几个人，“嘿，这是一起玩，让我知道你的想法”，回来一两天后，发现上周末有人交换IPO'd！

在瞬间变成Alpha测试生活与责任这个项目。我从来没有运行的服务前，和习惯的责任是很难的。

我真的失去了在它的睡眠。这将是起床后的第一件事情，我检查，睡前，它在我的脑海的所有的时间。担心可能会有一些灾难性的错误，它会显示我是不存在的时候，我已经得到许多人失去了他们的bitcoin。我被吓坏了，我会失去别人的bitcoin的。

但它已经正在运行什么灾难性的，现在的几个星期。我现在放松一下，和获得更多的发展做了。对于那些最初的几个星期，我是paralised，它只是在最近，我开始编程。

木叶：是谁GLBSE新股上市首的 ？

Nefario：Ubitex（符号的UBX）。一切横空出世到底很好，发行人得到了他们的资本，购房者得到了他们的股份。我在一个周末岁5年。没有什么出了问题（我们将有一个轻微的问题，但没有什么值得一提的） 。

木叶：GLBSE未来的下一步是什么 ？什么是你的长期计划是什么？

Nefario：我们已经制定了一些GLBSE我们的中期和长期目标的路线图。

短期内，我们正在开发一个基于Web的界面（实际上它的书面完全在JavaScript中，所以没有必要信任与密码或私钥的服务器。），是由6月6日到期。

我们已经发现的最大障碍已被使用的客户端，python的客户端是难以安装和使用不容易。实际上，我惊讶于使用它的市场是有多少活动。

我们正在努力加入bitcoin选项，短路（交流上的任何）。所以我们希望能够挂接到所有目前可用的交流和有任何人能贸易bitcoin选项。

我们开始对智能合同的工作，并希望能有个月的时间约一个非常有用的东西。虽然现在它仍然只是想法，我们有没有想通了最好的方式来实现它（它的更复杂，我原本以为）。

中期，我们希望有CryptoCloud启动并运行，移动GLBSE超过它。

以下，我们要开始融入GLBSE织机等其他资产系统，使人们有可能购买其他资产/货币比bitcoin的。

在此之后，我们想转移到后端开放式交易 。实际上，我们会想做到这一点，但觉得我们需要集中更多的功能之前，我们先开始重新后端发展。

木叶：如何将智能工程合约？什么情况下会是有用的？

Nefario：一个聪明的合同包含在信息系统等信息系统，可以很容易地执行这些条款可以解释的方式的自身的执法条款。

要给出一个具体的例子，一个聪明的合同可能包含股份的合同，可以发出的最大数量，如果发行人试图发出超过规定的最大值，它不会允许。

它也包括许多其他的事情，如是否释放发行人募集资金，以某一特定日期或退款，如果某些条款不符合合同的业主，限制了最大数量的股份，一个人可以持有等。

木叶：基本上，一个聪明的合同是一个程序，可以应对环境的变化，并注意到这些细节或执行合同中的某些规则 ？

Nefario：不完全虽然什么你说是正确的，前一个动作可以被完成（像购买，出售，发行，收回，或其他功能上GLBSE），检查合同和看到的，如果合同允许的动作，如果不然后，动作不被执行 。

因此，如果合同规定的限制出售股份的数量，以及该限制是达到了，和有人试图以出售更多，系统将检查之前，销售合同，限制，和然后，它的已经被达到，因此不会被允许通过的销售。

检查前要执行的动作是允许的规则设置。

木叶：你能不能给我更多的用例，智能合同？

一些其他的用例智能合同可能是：

期货，防止被出售后的交货日期，这意味着在该日期之后的人持有的合同的合同必须交付。

债券的还款日期设置，并防止在该日期后出售的合同。它也可以自动进行从发行债券帐户支付，如果有任何bitcoin。

为股份中，有一个可能的选项的完整列表：

• 任何一个人可以持有的股份限制的最大数量或比例。
• 限制可以出售的股份（例如创始人，使不能第一或第二的一年内出售其股份所有，然后步行路程）的时间和数量。
• 指定最低数量的股份，可以启动一个可以提请表决（因此，它不只是股份的发行人可以创造议案）的议案。
• 指定可发行的股份的最高数目。自动支付股息的日期。

croudsourcing：

• 筹集的资金被释放到发行人指定的最低金额。
• 将所有资金返还购房者，如果某些条件不具备（在合同中注明）。
• 需要审批的资产持有人表决前基金发行人发布。

多，我期待的是，一旦我们开始提供一些聪明的合同功能（如上文所述），GLBSE用户将开始告诉我们，他们想还有什么。上面的列表只是我已经想到了，我敢肯定还有很多更多。

木叶：从在看GLBSE，我不明白的外汇市场上的各种股票的价格 。我看到的数字，但我不明白这些手段。你有计划创建图表或推出一个JSON API使bitcoincharts.com服务，如可以成可用的形式呈现这些信息 ？

Nefario：贸易：1 @ 100000000：DISHWARA：1307065643

第一个元素是要么购买，出售或交易，购买和销售订单放置，贸易是为了发生。接下来就是数量的资产@（AT）在完整的64位整数的价格，所以你可以看到，这一比例为1 bitcoin（100000000 = 1btc），那么资产的名称出售，而最后一个Unix时间戳该事件。

我觉得一个JSON API将是一个好主意，它的东西，我们一定会做，那将是下一步，我可用性认为我们的Web客户端发布后。

我们的意图是逐步增加功能和逐步完善GLBSE。的改善作出了为更多的变化人，和我们一般按照我们的用户的反馈。

木叶：随着当前通货紧缩的环境，你期望你的资本公积最后多久 ？你认为它会继续扩大的速度比你可以花吗？

Nefario：在目前的通缩率，我们的资本价值的增长速度比我们花钱 。在理论上Sooooo如果这种趋势继续下去，我们将永远不会用完的bitcoin 。

当然，它不会以这种速度继续，我们很可能会增加我们自己的支出率。这实际上为我们所做的是使我们能够增加我们的发展速度，随着我们的项目的数量和范围。

我们最初的资本了2000元左右的美元价值，现已跃升至约$ 20,000，这之后，我们已经花了的（虽然如果我们只是坐在我们的资本，它在理论上是值得.....约50,000美元）。

这，我最近发现，虽然我们资本支出，并有机会在数字方面，我们可能无法得到它（也就是我们可能永远不会得到我们的初始bitcoin资本投资）。的好处是，对我们的剩余资金价值的不断增长，我们将很快（约一个月），有一个不断增长的收入流。

但我们的工作特别是部分在bitcoin值上升（在bitcoin经济的其他人的工作结合）的原因，所以，虽然我们可能会少bitcoin（可能甚至没有得到我们充分的初始资本回流）我们的工作直接导致的bitcoin价值增长。我们正在努力提高bitcoin价值以及使利润（因此提高我们自己bitcoin的价值）。

木叶：我相信这个结论的采访。感谢您的时间。

以上GOOGLE翻译,英文原文如下:

One of the coolest company to come out of the Bitcoin start up community is the cypherpunkish company called Bitcoin Global, which is responsible for the GLBSE and help usher in the crypto-anarchistic bitcoin economy.

Kiba: First of all, can you introduce yourself to our readers?

Nefario: My name is (Doctor) Nefario, I'm something of a cypherpunk. I started using bitcoin around October last year, and have been involved with bitcoin in some way or other since that time.

My meatspace job is teaching English in University, I'm based in a tier two city in P.R. China.

Currently I'm CEO of BitcoinGlobal, what has turned out to be the first bitcoin company.

There are about 5 people other than myself working for BitcoinGlobal, with roughly 10 persons as shareholders including myself.

We have a number of projects on the go at the moment, glbse.com & Bitdrop being the most well known, and working beginning on nomico.in and CryptoCloud over the next few weeks.

I would like to say more but I would prefer to remain pseudo anonymous, at least for the time being, and therefor not release any identifying information.

Kiba: Can you tell us more in depth about the projects you're working on?

Nefario: As many of you know, it's essentially an asset market for bitcoin, currently most people use it as a stock market to raise capital for their projects by selling shares. Although it's much more flexible than that, being able to handle almost any financial type of asset using Ricardian contracts. Right now this project is still young and has lost of improvements and features to look forward to, the next one being a web interface for ease of use.

BitDrop is a decentralised, package delivery service that's paid for with bitcoin. It works by having runners that are near each other passing the package along until it reaches it's destination, with each runner taking a cut of the overall payment.

Nomico.in is to be the implementation of the anonymous exchange that I've written about before. However we need to wait for CryptoCloud to be up and running before starting this.

CryptoCloud is to be a cloud based computing platform (ala. Amazon AWS) that is hidden in cypherspace (inside the darknets I2P or Tor) so that their location cannot become known. This will allow anyone to easily start any kind of project that if it were illegal in whatever jurisdiction, will be able to run with impunity on CryptoCloud. So services such as Torrent sites, copies of the original Napster, and even directly selling copyrighted materials will be allowed(actually the policy as it stands is that pretty much anything will be allowed).

We're building CryptoCloud because we see a need for most of our services we're working on to be available no matter what any authority says or does, so instead of doing it one by one we're going to build a platform that everyone else will be able to use, and pay for with bitcoin.

Kiba: Obviously, you're expanding into new area beyond the GLBSE.com. Why did you decided to expand into BitDrop and everything else?

Nefario: The most obvious reason is for money, I(we) think that these project's will be able to make us a nice profit by providing needed services in the bitcoin economy.

There are other deeper reasons.

Defense, we suspect that within the next 6 months many if not most bitcoin exchangers (especially MT.Gox, but also non exchanging services such as glbse.com) will be shutdown by various authorities around the world.

This will cause a liquidity problem for us(never mind our prime service being out of operation) and nearly every other business that uses bitcoin (this includes our suppliers). It would also kill the overall buying power that has grown with bitcoin over the last 6 months or more. This will seriously hurt our ability to operate and our bottom line.

To prevent this happening we hope to have the nomico.in (and CryptoCloud for it to run on) up and running before this eventuality.

Bitdrop is a mix of defense and cool factor. There is a need for a bitcoin paid delivery service, especially of goods that are.... less likely to pass through the current postal system unobstructed. We think it's a pretty cool project. However we also see it being of use for our nomico.in project as cash & card collection and delivery.

Kiba: How did the GLBSE idea comes about?

Nefario: Just to expand a little bit on question 3, actually I would have preferred to have been able to focus on glbse.com instead of running multiple projects, I can't give enough time to all of them. We're doing them because we need them. If someone else was going to do them instead then I'd be happy to leave it to them, and buy their service.

What led me to GLBSE was another project that I was trying to get started on. An anti-scammer project. However I found that getting the capital, and managing things related to shareholders was going to be quite a bit of work, so we thought we'll do a stock exchange to manage it all for us. We still haven't started on the anti-scamming project yet, GLBSE has more promise and is a higher priority, but it is something we've got planned...when we get around to it.

Kiba: What was the most challenging part in developing the GLBSE?

Nefario: Going live...sooner than intended.

What actually happened was I told a few people "hey this is there to play with, let me know what you think", came back a couple of days later and found someone had IPO'd on the exchange over the weekend!

In an instant this turned this project from Alpha testing to LIVE with responsibility. I've never run a service before, and getting used to the responsibility was hard.

I really lost sleep over it. It would be the first thing I'd check after getting up, and before going to bed, it was on my mind all the time. The fear that there might be some catastrophic bug, and it would show when I wasn't there, and by the time I had gotten back many had lost their bitcoin. I was terrified that I was going to lose someone else's bitcoin.

But it's been a few weeks running now, with nothing catastrophic. I'm starting to relax a bit now and get more development done. For those first few weeks I was kind of paralised and it's only recently that I've started getting back to programming.

Kiba: Who was the first to IPO on the GLBSE?

Nefario: Ubitex (symbol UBX). Everything turned out very well in the end, the issuer got their capital, the buyers got their shares. I aged 5 years in a weekend. Nothing really went wrong(we'll there was a slight issue but nothing noteworthy).

Kiba: What is next for the future of GLBSE? What is your long-term plan?

Nefario: We've mapped out some of our medium and long term goals on GLBSE's roadmap.

Short term we're developing a web based interface (actually it's written entirely in Javascript, so no need to trust the server with passwords or private keys.), and is due by the 6th of June.

We've found the biggest barrier has been using the client, the python client is difficult to install and not exactly easy to use. I'm actually surprised at how much activity there is on the market using it.

We're working on adding bitcoin options, and shorting (of anything on the exchange). So we would like to be able to hook into all the exchanges currently available and have anyone able to trade bitcoin options.

We're starting work on smart contracts, and hope to have something useful in about a months time. Although right now it's still just ideas, we haven't figured out the best way to implement it(it's more complicated that I had originally thought).

Medium term we want to have CryptoCloud up and running and move GLBSE over to it.

Following that we want to start integrating GLBSE into other asset systems like loom and make it possible for people to buy with assets/currencies other than bitcoin.

Following this we would like to move the backend over to Open-Transactions. We'd actually like to do this earlier but feel that we need to focus more on features first before we start revisiting backend development.

Kiba: How would smart contract works? What situations would it be useful for?

Nefario: A smart contract contains its own terms of enforcement in a way that can be interpreted by an information system such that the information system can easily enforce those terms.

To give a concrete example, a smart contract might contain the maximum number of shares of that contract that can be issued, and if the issuer attempted to issue more than the stated maximum, it would not be allowed.

It could also cover many other things such as whether to release raised funds to an issuer by a certain date, or to refund contract owners if certain terms are not met, limiting the maximum number of shares one person can hold and so on.

Kiba: Basically, a smart contract is a program that can respond to changes in the environment and notes these details or enforce certain rules in the contract?

Nefario: Not exactly(although what you said is correct), before an action can be done (like buy, sell, issue, withdraw, or other functions on GLBSE) it checks the contract and see's if the contract allows the action, if not then the action is not performed.

So if a contract specified a limit on the number of shares sold, and that limit was reached, and someone tried to sell more, the system would check the contract before selling, see that there is a limit, and then see that it's already been reached, so the sell would not be allowed to go through.

It's more a set of rules that are checked before actions are allowed to be performed.

Kiba: Can you give me more use cases for smart contracts?

Some of the other use cases for smart contracts might be:

Futures, preventing the contract being sold after the delivery date, meaning the person who holds the contract after that date must take delivery.

For bonds it would set the date of repayment, and prevent the contract being sold after that date. It could also automatically make the payment from the bond issues account if there is any bitcoin in it.

For shares there is a whole list of possible options:

• Limiting the maximum number or percentage of shares any one person can hold.
• Limiting the time and number of shares that can be sold(so that founders For example, cannot sell all of their shares within the first or second year and then walk away).
• Specifying a minimum number of shares that can initiate a motion that can then be brought to vote (so that it's not just the share issuer that can create motions).
• Specifying the maximum number of shares that can be issued. Automating the date that dividends are paid.

For croudsourcing:

• Specify the minimum amount to be raised for the funds to be released to the issuer.
• Returning all funds to the buyers if certain conditions (specified in the contract) are not met.
• Requiring the asset holder vote of approval before funds are released to the issuer.

And more, I'm expecting that once we begin providing some smart contract features (as outlined above) that GLBSE users will start telling us what else they would like. The above list is just what I've thought of, I'm sure there are a lot more.

Kiba: From taking a look at the GLBSE, I cannot understand the prices of the various stock on the exchange market. I see numbers but I do not understand what these means. Do you have plans to creates charts or roll out a JSON API so that services like bitcoincharts.com can render these information into usable form?

Nefario: trade:1@100000000:DISHWARA:1307065643

The first element is either buy,sell or trade, buy and sell are orders placed, and trade is the order happening. The next is the quantity of the asset @(at)a price in full 64bit integer, so you can see that this share was sold for 1 bitcoin(100000000=1btc), then the name of the asset, and finally a unix timestamp of the event.

I think a json api would be a good idea, and it's something we will certainly do, that would be the next step I think for usability after our web client is released.

Our intention is to progressively add functionality and improve GLBSE gradually. As improvements are made people as for more changes, and we generally follow our users feedback.

Kiba: With the current deflationary environment, how long do you expect your capital reserve to last? Do you think it will continue to expand faster than you can spend?

Nefario: At the current rate of deflation, the value of our capital is growing faster than we are spending it. Sooooo in theory if this trend continues, we'll never run out of bitcoin.

Of course it won't continue at this rate, and we'll probably be increasing our own rate of expenditure. What this actually does for us is allow us to increase our rate of development(along with the number and scope of our projects).

Our initial capital had a USD value of around $2000, That has now jumped to about $20,000, and that's after everything we've spent already(although if we had just sat on our capital, it would in theory be worth..... about $50,000).

Something that I've recently realised, although we are spending capital, and there is the chance that in numeric terms we might not get it back(that is we may never get our initial bitcoin capital investment back). The upside is that the value of the remaining capital we have is growing, and we will soon (in about a month) have a growing revenue stream.

But specifically our work is partially the cause of the value rise in bitcoin (combined with the work of everyone else in the bitcoin economy), so although we might be working for less bitcoin (possibly not even getting our full initial capital back) our work directly causes the value of bitcoin to grow. We're working to raise the value of bitcoin as well as to make profit (therefor increasing the value of our own bitcoin).

Kiba: I believe this conclude the interview. Thanks for your time.